[Stoop]

How about we let Postfordfan1220 continue to build his map and change the title of this thread to "WARNING: CLICKING ON THIS MAP MAY SPOIL YOUR GAMEPLAY"?

Really, have we come to the point where everyone must play the game exactly the same way as everyone else? Maybe there's a few radical players out there that don't want to explore as their hunting, stumble upon a big bad mob and get killed in one shot. I personally think this map can be a very useful tool and if you think using it will spoil your game, here's your simple solution: DON'T USE IT.

[Yazuli]

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The requested URL /enb/enb_javascript_map.html was not found on this server.

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EDIT - Nevermind. I found that editing my previous bookmark worked when I manually changed .html to .php

Could the full URL to be typed out so the full URL is displayed?

[posfordfan1220]

Slayerman, on 25 February 2010 - 03:54 AM, said:

In my opinion this takes the fun out of exploring, and also removes community interaction...

If by "community interaction" you mean groups of people stumbling around NAVs randomly while individual group members get stranded and die...

"Oh, let's try here..."
"No, let's now go over here..."
"SHIT!! They're 15 levels higher! RUNNN!!!"
"JS please."
"OMG me too!"

That's what happened for over an hour last time I was in a large group (that wasn't touring) because of the idiot leaders. Eventually, everyone just left the group to play on their own. I don't consider this to be "fun".

*Actual* (meaning: non-multiboxing, non-touring) spontaneous groups are extremely rare. People aren't in concentrated enough numbers to actually warrant grouping. If the server had 5000 players maybe this wouldn't be a problem. But at ~250 players, ~100 sectors, and ~150 levels, players are spread too thin.

That's why I haven't been playing lately, because it's so *hard* to find a group, and soloing is boring. At least this way I can solo and not feel like a total idiot for wasting my time.

Yazuli, on 25 February 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

Unfortunately this link doesn't work for me. The previous URL that did work and this link now provide

Not my fault. The forum is borked. I wasn't the one who added the "..."s.

[Reldan]

Slayerman, on 25 February 2010 - 02:54 AM, said:

This post is SOLEY my own personal opinion, my views in no way reflect the views of the Net7 Entertainment Team

Unfortunately guys.. this is one of the reasons the Dev team have stopped releasing full database dumps...

Displaying Navs on a map for people to find there way around will be added to the portal soon™

However, displaying mob locations... well, i dont agree with this, i can see in the near future the Devs changing things in game drastically and NOT releasing the data...

Content Devs spend a lot of time creating content for people to 'find' to keep the game interesting, and if this info is easily available (with such a tool like this) then why bother, lets just stick in all on one nav point....

In my opinion this takes the fun out of exploring, and also removes community interaction...

Kudos for the site, its been well done from a code point of view, but takes something away from the game.

Flame away.....

This post is SOLEY my own personal opinion, my views in no way reflect the views of the Net7 Entertainment Team

I agree. Being told where everything is takes the fun away. The fun of discovering things for yourself. The fun and excitement that goes with accomplishing something yourself. Same with showing where all the hidden locations are. You're taking away all the secrets that the game has. Takes away the reason to explore, which is to discover what secrets are there.

For those that say you don't have to use it, you're right. And I won't. However, it's giving an unfair advantage to those that do use it. Does someone on the dev team not have an advantage over the players that have to figure out how things work themselves? Even if they didn't design it, they have access to the information. If the information can only be obtained from the game code or game files, then it is obvious that the dev team did not intend it to be made public. Information that is not released by the devs for all to use should not be released by others. It's just not right.

[Aelita]

This is stress test and I won't see any bad when people (who want) can look where exactly perticular mob is. I have few questions about coordinates showing in your great map. These seems to be a lot diferent than we using in Client. I didn't find any co-realtion with coords showing in your map. Second thing is question about Spw, I guess is spawn timer. If so I guess it is in seconds and when there is 0 then that mob respawn instantly when killed, or is then random time?

BTW I found during my exploration some disproportion with real ST4 mob distribution. Example is Xipe Totec Ruined Red Dragon Outpost. In your map it show 3 CL 20 Bio-Ripers but actually there is 3 CL50 Bio-something else. Wow what a shock for me being CL20 OL70 when I pass them, lucky alive.

[posfordfan1220]

Aelita, on 27 February 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

I have few questions about coordinates showing in your great map. These seems to be a lot diferent than we using in Client. I didn't find any co-realtion with coords showing in your map.

If you could provide a list showing the actual vs. reported coordinates, I will check it out.

Aelita, on 27 February 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

Second thing is question about Spw, I guess is spawn timer. If so I guess it is in seconds and when there is 0 then that mob respawn instantly when killed, or is then random time?

That's my best guess too.

[posfordfan1220]

Forum only allows two quotes per post, so....

Aelita, on 27 February 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

BTW I found during my exploration some disproportion with real ST4 mob distribution. Example is Xipe Totec Ruined Red Dragon Outpost. In your map it show 3 CL 20 Bio-Ripers but actually there is 3 CL50 Bio-something else. Wow what a shock for me being CL20 OL70 when I pass them, lucky alive.

If you can go back there and get their names, exact levels and possibly drops I will see about updating the map. I think I will add a 'Last updated' field to each map point as well so people can see how old the data is and whether it has been updated recently.

[Aelita]

New stable DB dump is out, are you having plan update your excelent map with new DB feed? BTW guys stop discusion about if having map is good or bad. We will have wipe, and who want can ignore map, and go on explore self. But who really want to do some testing, need to know where to go and not loosing precious time by just getting ropes.

BTW I found corelation between location numbers stored in DB and scale what is shown on sector map. In DB number 50000 does mean 50.00 in sector map. So number shown on your interactive map need to be divided by 1000 and rounded to 2 significant number after decimal point to get ingame shown coordinates.

This post has been edited by Aelita: 16 March 2010 - 12:46 PM

[posfordfan1220]

Sorry for the belated reply. I thought this thread was on my watchlist.

Aelita, on 16 March 2010 - 03:33 AM, said:

New stable DB dump is out, are you having plan update your excelent map with new DB feed?

Nope, this will be my last update as I'm no longer playing EnB. I quit for the typical MMO reason of not having any real impact on the game world I guess. The chatting and socializing is fun but I need to see a real, measurable result of what I've done besides just another level increase. (All things said though EnB will still have been the only MMO I've played for any length of time besides the original EverQuest.)

Aelita, on 16 March 2010 - 03:33 AM, said:

BTW I found corelation between location numbers stored in DB and scale what is shown on sector map. In DB number 50000 does mean 50.00 in sector map. So number shown on your interactive map need to be divided by 1000 and rounded to 2 significant number after decimal point to get ingame shown coordinates.

Now fixed.


Have fun and good luck guys!

This post has been edited by posfordfan1220: 27 May 2010 - 07:56 PM

[Skypilot]

Awesome job on the map, it fills the void that all the fan sites filled when the game was live. Everyone can bitch if they want but I think you did one hell of a job on this and thanks for your hard work. I use your map all the time, it has kept me playing since I can actually find drops I want.